Improved tool cursors

lol first video was deliberately slow and i was proving that the crosshair covers the vert not the arrow because the camera angle is not the same & i was using two different keymaps, 2.79 custom while 2.8 is the default, it’s not the same setup .

Once again… look for the icon or pictoric representation of precission… it’s a crosshair, look for the tool used in precission softwares when you actually need precission, it’s a crosshair, but you probably think that all those people and softwares are wrong… long live the arrow! LOL

You like the arrow because… you like the arrow… oh no… sorry, you like the arrow because it’s new, good for you.

It’s not about being conservative, it’s about making reasoned decissions, this is a weird and unnecesarry change.

But as I said, I profoundly disagree with you, and even more when I see there is no real reason behind that “arrow-like” movement, it’s just a “new” thing, and a “it’s more precise because I say so”, ok, good for you, but what we need here is a developer talking about this, giving an answer to this, we may keep this conversation for a long time, and it will degenerate to a bunch of insults and disqualifying words, in fact it already started with that phrase:

Please @dfelinto and @billrey, this is turning into a problem, there are clearly two kind of users here, a thought about this and a proper solution could be very welcome here.

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The movement of the cursor is not deliberately slow, nor is it deliberately ellipsing to show that. That’s because you need it to be able to position the cursor the way you want it to. And that makes you slower in one video than another and less accurate.

Obviously, because for the human brain it’s easier to hit in a target when two crossed axis converge, and that’s the point of action, that’s the benefit of a crosshair, but it does not visually obstruct anything around, while in a dense mesh the arrow will cover the visibility of the rest of the mesh, with the crosshair you just cover the part that you actually want to cover to perform an action.

And still, you keep defending the arrow and ignore the fact that crosshair = precission everywhere.

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It’s not a new thing every software have differences, and even in OS, selection happens with an arrow…crosshair are good for certain things but for selection when there is gizmos …etc then they become useless , most selection &editing tools now have gizmos so an arrow makes much more sense than a crosshair.
If it wasn’t good choice the Devs wouldn’t have changed it :slight_smile:

Wrong read at the top and see who started the insults it was way even before i started commenting but you guys seem to get offensive & act like a pack of wolves when someone else is having a different and objective opinion but hey to each his own desires.

first video is deliberte same for the other ones, i made the gif & i was sure to be slow to show how it obscure the vert so you don’t know what i was thinking & you’re not a Sociologists or a psychic.

Why? This is absurd, Devs make mistakes as anyone else, sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, nothing wrong with that.

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Well you see it wrong & i saw it right so to me it was the right choice, so i wouldn’t call it a mistake.

Yep, my reasoning is that you see it right because you like it, because it’s new, but when you need precission, a crosshair is the pictorial representation of precision, and I’ll repeat myself, it’s the tool used in precission softwares and tools, it’s what your brain interprets better to be precise, it’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.

Ask yourself why anything that needs to be precise uses a crosshair instead of an arrow.

Here you have some information about reticles:

Asuming you have such PHD in Design, I¡'m not sure if it’s a joke or not, but if you have it, then I understand even less how can you think that an arrow means precision, but in that case you could also recognize how crosshairs have been historically used to align different layers in printing for example, in 2D animation, it means precision, once again.

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that’s subjective,we’re talking about a 3d software here not a video game, a weapon, photoshop…etc precision argument is not really valid, i am as precise with a crosshair as an arrow, many softwares also use arrow for selections and they’re industry standards (like Maya, sketchup,softimage…etc) used by thousands of professional Artsits on a day to day basis.

No it’s not, as I said, it’s a fact, crosshair means precision.

Your brain indentifies the precise point you want to hit with two crossing bars, your brain identifies an imprecise point in space with a pointing arrow, it’s just a direction, not a point, no matter if you want to draw a point in the tip of the arrow, the brain works as he wants, and a cross has been historically used to indentify things with precision because it’s what feels more precise to the brain, not an arrow.

Arrow = direction

Crosshair = point

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tip of the arrow is the point :man_facepalming:

:man_shrugging:

Oh well, I tried…

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your brain don’t see a point sees an arrow, a direction, as I said it’s how your brain works, we could use a Q letter as the cursor, it would be as precise as the arrow, would you like that? or a straigh single line too, it has a point at the tip.

Arrow = direction
Crosshair = point

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The problem is clear when you don’t see to the cursor directly (90% of the time)

When the cursor is out of your central vision you don’t see a cursor, you see blurred cursor. The difference between both cursors is that the arrow still pointing to a corner of the blurred cursor, but the crosshair still pointing to the center of that blurred shape. So it’s easy to know where you are going to make click with less work for your brain, for other things.

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Once again personal attack, please stop.

Now, everything can be defined as a point, the tip of a line or the tip of the stick in the Q letter, but that does not make the Q letter into a precise or a good cursor:

Arrow = direction
Crosshair = point in space

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, it’s how your brain works.

I keep repeating the same thing because things does not change because you don’t like them, I cannot change the meaning of things.

Arrow = direction
Crosshair = point in space

Once again, please stop with personal attacks, I have not insulted you.

Yes, I do.

Please present your reasoning that contradict what I say, other than the tip of the arrow it’s a point (in the same way as the tip of a line).

Sorry but you have not reasoned a single thing in this thread, apart from the conclusion that the tip of an arrow it’s a point.

And once again, insults.

And keep insults coming… really man, I don’t understand why an arrow is so important to you that you start insulting others instead of presenting your facts and reasons on why an arrow is better, other than an arrow has a tip.