Hi guys,
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Using your 2.83.6.1 build, I canāt find anymore the option to actually enable the patchās modifications. Correct me if Iām wrong, but I thought kioās patch originally had a checkbox in the Move/Tweak tool settings that enabled this. Now, as far as I know, itās gone, so it selects like regular Blender.
Am I missing something here?
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You can see all the places that kioās patch puts a checkbox in the python script space_toolsystem_toolbar.py
It will show up under box, circle, and lasso. You can also see it in the move/tweak settings, itās just hidden under the drag options
Also, with kioās patch it is all or nothing. If you have it on in one of the three tools, it is on for all of them. Basically thereās one setting that is accessible from 3 different tools. I donāt like that so I made it where each one works independently, but like I said a while back I didnāt bother updating with my additions because Iām not done yet. Performance with 2.90 and the select by face center without selecting through are whatās left.
I want to check out the select through addon @APEC shared and compare performance. If performance is similar anyways, and people donāt seem to mind that one, Iāll just put up what Iāve done for now. Who knows, maybe something in the scripts for that addon will show me something as far as getting around the inefficiency required for 2.90 to work.
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Even Houdini, which is infamous for not being a good direct modeller has a complete set of options regarding selections, including select through. The fact that the option existed before makes it even more massively frustrating.
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Speaking of frustrating, Iām getting a little tired of fumbling around blind through this moon language, hoping that something, ANYTHING will happen to get around the 2.90 slowness. This issue was actually created because it makes other things go faster. Ironic.
All I know is that I need to āuse BMEdit mesh data directlyā from @ideasman42
Thereās people out there who know their way around this mess. It wouldnāt even be much to help out, or at least tell me what part of a book to read so I can eventually do it myself.
Iāve just about hit my limit. I am about to resign myself to reading some stupid C Language book cover to cover. Somebody please do me a favor. Donāt make me do that 
Wow I guess OP is actually gone, I thought he just changed his name.
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Thatās the spirit! 
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Maybe take it into a modal operator is a good way. When pressing alt and drag ,it can be select through.
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just joined to post here.
There used to be a button in 2.79 that we could click to do this. Iām busy learning blender again to see if our studio can transition and I hit this hurdle.
It would be really appreciated by many users new and veteran alike if this could be fixed.
This āyou can only select what you can see in blender paradigmā mentions in this thread, does reminds of this joke. A Mathematician, a Physicist, and an astronomer were travelling north by train. They had just crossed the border into Scotland, when the Astronomer looked out of the window and saw a single black sheep in the middle of a field. āAll Scottish sheep are black,ā he remarked. āNo, my friend,ā replied the Physicist, " Some Scottish sheep are black." At which point the Mathematician looked up from his paper and glanced out the window. After a few secondās thought he said blandly: āIn Scotland, there exists at least one field, in which there exists at least one sheep, at least one side of which is black.ā
Please, can it be fixed!
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Checked out that Select Through addon, itās an interesting workaround that looks like what is does is toggle xray with the option to turn off the visual feedback of going in and out of xray. So speed wise it seems the same as ordinary xray, makes sense because that is probably what itās doing. If there wasnāt anything else to be done it would be ok but itās a little wonky for my liking.
A quick-ish and temporary workaround I was thinking about was to just have a duplicate mesh (class? carrier?) that works the same as 2.83. It would only be called by this select through, while everything else that uses meshes would use the real thing.
Seems like a really messy detour, 36 different scripts are affected.
https://developer.blender.org/rBdeaff945d0b965d1e588cdecd084080b07db2e1f
Donāt know if it would work without other problems, or function at all. Not sure if all of these changes are in 2.90 but Iām just going to assume they are. Easy enough to do a diff check, worth spending a little time for a speed increase.
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Hey ya!
I just moved from Maya to Blender recently I have been using 3d packages since I was 10 and now I am 32, yeah quite some time around, so yeah even though I know how to model, texture, etc. my action field is now as a programmer, but LOL oh boy! I never ever thought to find that many people having the same issue, this is one severe case of a programmer stubbornness. Like philosophy? I rather prefer efficiency, trust me in my days I used to measure how much I was moving my fingers, wrists and arms to have less effort using the Mayaās tools and writing my owns to fix those holes.
Anyway I have been using blender only for 3 weeks, so I wonāt ever dare to speak about its efficiency just yet, after 1 or 2 projects with months, then maybe, for now I will try to implement the partial solution offered by this thread, since I do consider this feature a must have.
Stay chill guys!
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Yeah I bet its probably because after 2+ years of people in this thread really wanting to enjoy Blender and trying to fix one huge but simple fix problem, must feel pretty annoyed of being ignored. But thatās just me.
There is nothing I can add that others have not said. Can someone just fix this useless, time wasting, training wheel of a feature. Just because people who started with Blender now are incapable and lack the spacial awareness to know where the verts or faces are on the other side of an object, doesnt mean we should all pay the price.
Remove these useless training wheels so we can stop wasting our time when we model, we are not generalists, we are professional modelers.
Itās not a huge ask and would solve a major pain point for litterally anyone who has heavy experience in modeling. I just want to model at a decent speed without using a wireframe and dot faces. The amount of situations where itās actually helping far outweights what it fixes.
My models are almost always way too complex for having Xray even help me at all anyways, itās more useful to just toggle wireframe if I NEED to see though.
If I need to quickly select 2 verts on a box, and one is hidden, I donāt need some sort of Xray goggles and heat seaking laser rifle to know where that vert is.
Not everyone needs to select what they see only, can this just work for both sides please!
I have tried to switch to Blender 3 times over the last few years and this is one of those things that keeps ending up a deal breaker for me. Itās so frustrating. I am trying my best to not let my real feelings out in this post, please understand. Iām trying to not be as rude as I feel. It just seems like banging on a door and no one is home for two years, and all I want is to get my keys from inside.
Thanks.
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Are you already using this add-on?
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Iām so tired of the situation where to get basic functionality we have to rely on these ugly hackjob addons that keep breakingā¦ And when they break, weāre SOLā¦
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OK, I think everyone has made their point regarding this subject, and itās on the Blender development radar. As the tone of recent posts has become too sour, Iām going to close this topic.
By request of @lcas Iāve decided to reopen this topic, but I will keep a close watch on it, and at the first sign of continued sourness I will close it again and keep it that way. Please continue the discussion with respect towards each other and the developers, thanks.
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yes and I changed shortcuts directly in preferences shortcuts so now I right clic and drag to select box. right clic and drag + ā>ā to select box xray. double left clic to circle select same to close it. double left clic + ā>ā with xray. and right clic to toggle select. so all on the mouse and thatās super mega quick. I do this since 2.79 but with xray thatās awsome
some tools are useful but others not at all like G R S equivalent. thatās redundant and not efficient. and shortcuts should be the same. in one hand they are telling too many shortcut deleting some very intuitive and important one and on the other they are creating redundancy. but the destructive guy of the UI is gone now.
I am very surprised that this problem has not been solved until version 2.91, which is the biggest obstacle that prevents me from switching to blender. For a professional modeler, this function is very important. Why blender doesnāt consider for users, and when updating some useless functions, plug-ins become cumbersome, which will make Xray
The display mode is separated from the back selection. Are users of blender making some simple models? If blender really wants to be big and powerful, he should have a good foundation
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