2025-01-14 User Interface Meeting

[Harleya]

User Interface Module Meeting 2025-01-14T16:00:00Z

Regular User Interface module meeting for planning and coordination. Last regular meeting was December 17th, next meeting on January 28th

Attendees

• Julian Eisel
• Hans Goudey
• Pablo Vazquez
• Habib Gahbiche
• Nika Kutsniashvili
• Jonas Holzman
• Harley Acheson

Merged Since Last Meeting

• Fix #130853: Asset shelf popup when Spacebar mapped to different actions #131351
• Fix #123702: Don’t Change TransOpt Flags with Language If Current Profile #132046
• Fix #117427: Adjust Alert Popup Widths #132098
• Fix #94152: Fix cursor update over UI buttons #132185
• Fix #102347: Maximum Width for Status Bar Report Banners #132307
• Fix #117353: Improved Selection From Fonts Folder #132318
• macOS: Fix path icon not being cleared when creating a new file #132359
• UI: Improve Studio Lights Editor layout #132425
• Fix #100264: Outliner icon overlap when filter collection is off #132339
• Fix #92998: Allow UI List Reversed Alpha Sort #132578
• Fix #100652: Correct Shortcut Hovering Editor Type Button #132612
• Fix #132097: Color Tooltips Without Alpha #132287
• Fix #118418: Update Info Editor for Non-Owned OPERATOR_FINISHED #132315
• UI: Refactor templates into individual files #132468
• Fix #70246: Don’t Clear Tooltips on Timer Events #132539
• UI: Improved User Feedback for Animation Playback Timer #132648
• Fix #120833: Align Reset to Default with Preferences Defaults #132762
• Fix #132769: Reset Mouse Cursor In Popups #132775
• Fix #91360: Remove Printf When Changing Screens #132778
• Fix #132386: Scale Tree View Hierarchy Lines with 2D Zoom #132817
• Fix #132830: Regression: Cursor restores the update in GN input #132848
• Fix #124814: Correctly Collapse Long Non-Categorized Lists #132881
• Fix #132122: Default Value for Camera FOV Angle #132364
• Fix #109995: Outliner listen to collection change in the header region #111725
• Fix #100786: Collection hide viewport in properties tab #132107
• UI: Meshcache modifier boolean flip axis property #132849
• Fix #126409: Allow Menu Accelerators for Toggles #132309
• UI: Capitalize default filenames from “untitled” to “Untitled” #132424
• Fix #132931: Allow Wider Icons for Collapsed XYZ Modifiers #132945

High Severity Bugs

• Shortcuts to change “Editor Type” does not remember previous choice #130372
  • Jonas and Harley will look at next week probably.

Winter of Quality

• HackMD page
  • Open Reports: -164
  • Open Bugs: -129
  • Needs Dev Info: -41

Review

• UI: Themeable RedAlert, Error, Warning, Info Colors #131127
  • Colors to work to help differentiate warnings, alerts, confirmations
• Fix #49117: Larger Alternative for Frame Cursor #132767
  • General feeling is we should merge this and later work to remove it.
• Fix #129579: Improvement to Changed Brush Display #131119
• Fix #79977: Light Theme NumSlider InnerSel #131338
• UI: Reduce Light Theme Icon Border Opacity #131396
• Fix #59358: Don’t Show Status Bar Impossible Confirms & Cancels #131336
• UI: Improve Status Bar Display for Mesh Point Normals #131586
• Refactor: Allow any icons for RNA_def_property_ui_icon #127780
• Fix #83589: Remove Tooltips on Gizmo Mouse Down #132576
• UI: Upgrade Inter font 4.0 → 4.1 #132508

Roadmap

• Proposed MacOS Platform Changes #132509
  • We will try for text input keymaps and title bar changes within 4.4
• Enhance the support for IME in Windows. #132102
  • Julian will contact Sergey, we’ll arrange a meeting to discuss review strategy.
• WIP: UI: Bidirectional Text and Complex Shaping #104662
  • Harley mentioned need for time from Habib before move to Experimental.
• Linux needs larger cursors
  • Harley will probably make 16/24/32 set, selected automatically

Design & Discussion

• Continue with bug squishing
• Will probably have a week of documentation, meeting next week to plan
• Lots of discussion on Jonas’ PR regarding X-ray
• Discussion of Jonas’ MacOS-specific PRs
• Discussion of Habib’s PRs
• Harley will make a DevTalk post asking for community help dealing with improving operator statuses.
• Harley so excited to see everyone that he forgot to take notes.
• Show “Experimental” without “Developer Extras”?
  • Yes, we want to separate these things. We’ll first identify all the parts and make a plan.
• UI: Experiment: Object Scale Warning #132969
  • This is something we like
• UI: Experiment: Status Feedback #132957
  • This would probably work better if shown like #132969
• Do we want upper/lowercase functions that work for non-Latin?
• UI Experiment: Area Maintenance by Dragging Headers #131222
  

[RonanDucluzeau]

It never made any sense to me, to hide behind a Developers Extras preference, what is hidden behind that.
How can Operator Search, Sequencer Cache settings, Online Python Reference and Geometry Indices be considered things to hide to common user ?

That is basic info, used by common user, writing a macro, making a montage or playing with instances.
Only menu items making sense to put behind a safety check, are the ones, editing UI or translation.
The rest should be accessible, by default.
Geometry Indices are now accessible, as GN attribute text. So, what is the point to hide the option for geometry without a GN modifier ?
Why not merging them together under same option ? They are not currently displayed at same time, anyways.

Seriously, this Developers Extra Preference does not unclutter the UI. It just removes one or two items per menu. That does not change anything to how the user feel about the menu/panel.