Left click select keymap

#363

It is about ergonomics, and could be a part of personal point of view. But in general make combinations between Thumb in alt and other keys if easier than ctrl with little finger.

But it is something strange for people than don’t use mac

#364

I like the idea of an “all-in-one” selection tool, that could speed things up. I think it could be LMB–pick (click) and box (drag) select, MMB drag–lasso, RMB drag–paint select. RMB click and release–context menu. Shift/Ctrl–add/remove
*This would only work with Maya nav.
Maybe two-in-one select using RMB for default nav?

Separate selection tools would be available, of course, for tablet users and people who find the above tool unorthodox.

Selection tools should be passive and available to use with transform tools:
Select and move
Select and rotate
Select and scale
Select and universal transform

The user can specify if he wants to use box, lasso, paint, or all-in-one selection mode with the transform tools. This would be a setting in the top bar, which would be persistent so the user would only have to do it once. Can save in startup file.

Dropping a tool reverts to selection tool or selection and transform tool, whichever was used last.

Firing a conventional command or active tool via hotkey automatically drops current tool and switches to fired one, without manually dropping first tool.

With select and move, tweak is
Click+drag on manipulator center for single component.
Modifier key+click and drag for multiple components(?).

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#365

It’s your point of view yes and not about ergonomics.

#366

Well, for apple users and developers is about ergonomics

#367

I keep seeing people talking about CTRL is for deselect. Where is this the case? In the 3d view the only thing that deselects an object is shift. This doesn’t work when two objects are overlapping. Shift clicking only changes which of the two objects are active. This makes object selection close to impossible in complex scenes. This really needs to be fixed in the default keymap.

#368

On Blender Ctrl is not used, on all other software it’s used to deselect something.

By the way @Alberto Alt is used for Emulate 3 buttons.

#369

That’s a good point. Then doesn’t work any of the proposals.

#370

Proposal for the left/right click keymap. The idea is to make a more stable controls without violate old user experience and allowing to new user work better.

The primary and secondary click can be swap by user.

PD: don’t worry about hotkeys for select, are placeholder meanwhile I think in a solution to avoid emulate middle click.

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#371

@billrey I noticed that in the right click context menus now have some modeling tools included in it, like extrude, inset etc… So I would like to know if there is a way to swap those tools with their active tools equivalent. It’s a little hard to use those modal tools when calling from the context menu. Their immediate action and cursor position requirements make those tools unworkable in several situations.

#372

It’s me or the new keymap for shader editor is really annoying? you cannot do box select with mouse, cut link with Ctrl+left click

#373

There are some bugs happening there…
In the meantime use the “Select” tool…

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#374

I think the user will expect to be able to continue selecting in box mode with left-click even when using the active tools: transform, move, scale, rotate.

#375

Proposal on using the tools.

  1. Keep selection types vs 3D cursor a totally different thing
  2. Change mouse click actions between tool type
  3. Several ways to deactivate the tool back to selection

1. Keep selection types vs 3D cursor a totally different thing.

Currently, switching between the two top buttons only change what happens on left click. I prefer it would be like this.

Using one of the selection tools

Keep it the same

Using the 3D cursor

  • Translation tools will move the 3D cursor.
  • Other tools that has nothing to do with 3D cursor are removed.
  • Shortcuts are still valid.
  • Instead of the removed tools, relevant tools, like “move the 3D cursor to origin”, are added.

2. Change mouse click actions between tool type

Based on the following two aspects, the tools can be classified to 2x2

  • Will it have gizmos?
  • Will a click mean anything anywhere in the viewport?

have gizmos / clicking means nothing somewhere

For example, the Spin tool has gizmos but clicking else than the gizmo is useless.
For such tools,

  • Clicking the gizmo: use the tool
  • Click some where else: deactivate the tool back to selection
    -Mouse cursor: shape can be the same as usual
    would be intuitive.

have gizmos / clicking means something anywhere

The Extrude tools have its gizmos but clicking other places are also used (to extrude to the position).
For such tools,

  • Clicking the gizmo: use the tool
  • Click some where else: use the tool
  • Mouse cursor: shape should change

would be intuitive.

have gizmos / clicking means nothing somewhere

I don’t know such tool but I guess mouse actions in a limited area.

  • Click in the area: use the tool
  • Click some where else: deactivate the tool
  • Mouse cursor: shape should change if it is in the area

no gizmos / clicking means something anywhere

Knife tools does not have gizmos but clicking the viewport activates the tool.

  • Click some where else: use the tool
  • Mouse cursor: shape should change

3. Several ways to deactivate the tool back to selection

Deactivation which means go back to selection would be handy for a speedy workflow.
IMO blender shouls support several common ways to deactivate.

  • Enter: Confirm and deactivate
  • Double click: Confirm and deactivate
  • Esc: Roolback and deactivate
  • RCS: Roolback and deactivate
#376

Hello, I want to select (a vertex, edge, etc) when the pointer is very close to it, where can I set this selection distance? so blender doesn’t select from so far away. When I want box selection or lasso near a vertex, blender selects and moves. Or if I want to select box or lasso by clicking on the empty area between vertices I have the same problem. I would feel more comfortable decreasing that distance so I have more control of what I select.

#377

Are you using the box select tool? It should work, but unfortunately it lacks the transform gizmo.

#378

About the active tool system: could we hit the ESCAPE key to get back to our selection tools like any other software ?

did a topic for this this may was not necessary

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#379

It’s funny man, I think you’re confusing other software with blender itself.
Pressing Esc to go back only exists in obsolete modal workflows which doesn’t exist elsewhere.
What is needed is a fix to the W key. :wink:

#380

the escape key is design to escape things, that’s why its called “escape”

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#384

Right now is in the contextual menu

#385

At the moment, selecting a strip in the NLA editor jumps one right into tweaking it, which makes it hard to jump between editing multiple strips without messing with their starting position. Could the click and click+drag be separated here?

Edit: Just noticed this is the same for keyframes, so I’m guessing this is still a WIP?